In my article, I pointed out they were trying to break the ground because it has become rockhard due to the negative implications (of Christianity)? You cannot plant a seed in hard, dry, infertile ground. Matthew 13 hits this up, as does Luke 8.
You can’t throw water on ground that doesn’t even have the seed in it and expect it to grow. You can’t plant a seed in ground that it’s rock solid and expect it to germinate. You are wasting your time and losing your opportunity to help develop that seed. It’s simple psychology. This is what Peter was saying about using your time wisely.
Ok, before we can go any further, I gave you Bible verses to back up why this ad us not against “theology and the Bible.” Would you give me the Scripture verses where you’re getting it is going against the Bible?
I gave scriptures to show where we, as Christians, are to absolutely respond in kindness, gentleness, and wisdom. to those not of the Christian faith. Please give me the scriptures where we are to rebuke, ignore, or condemn non-believers. I'm not being facetious here, I honestly want to know if the Bible says this or anything like it.
Can you show me in the ad where they said that foot-washing justifies them? They said “ Jesus doesn’t hate, Jesus washes feet.” As I pointed out with the Bible, Jesus washed their feet to show His love. Even Judas. This is what the ad said.
And as I alluded to, there will be many who will walk away from us because we tell them we do not approve of their behavior. We'll never give them a chance, one way or the other, if we can't get them to talk to us to begin with.
I think my biggest point of difference with you is what does this say to the people who are in Progressive Christianity? Almost every situation presented is clearly spoken about in progressive Christian circles. However, if they were fighting for people who were lost to save them, but not also fighting against theology and the Bible, I would probably join with them.
I strongly believe that all sinners should be given the Gospel. I do think this ad could have said a lot more using real people who have been sinners coming to Christ and abandoning their flesh/old lifestyle. And I know we discussed this, but I still can't help but think David Green's motivations are not pure, nor are they Christlike in this regard.
If we are to imitate Christ, we preach the good news to sinners to bring them into fellowship without giving up the law or scripture. I think we agree on this point. However, I don't believe this is David Green's purpose. I think him and the other donors are arguing that if our theology keeps sinners out of church, we need to change our theology.
I think this is another point we disagree. Where is David Green's heart? Is he trying to bring people to the Biblical Christ? Or is he trying to water down faith by so we can all be more "kind" and "inclusive." Even if he meant the first, he should have worked diligently to make that more clear and used scripture and testimonies of people saved out of their sin rather than indicating that foot washing somehow justifies a person before God.
Because at the end of the day, it appears, at the very least, to be hard to tell which one he meant. Knowing that he created confusion and disagreement between well-meaning Christians with his ad (as I know we both want to be) then I have to question if his ad fails or if his ad succeeds. Sure pharisees will condemn almost everything (I think modern pharisees often look like bible-denying progressives and unthinking fundamentalists). That's what they tend to do.
Yet, if well-meaning Christians do not understand the message of "He Gets us," then I have to ask why create it in the first place? Or even ask, who is the author of confusion? All your points are about how Christians should behave towards sinners and perfect in that regard. I'm just not sure that the creators of this ad mean what you mean or what Christ means. Thanks for the response. Talk later, Kelly.
In my article, I pointed out they were trying to break the ground because it has become rockhard due to the negative implications (of Christianity)? You cannot plant a seed in hard, dry, infertile ground. Matthew 13 hits this up, as does Luke 8.
You can’t throw water on ground that doesn’t even have the seed in it and expect it to grow. You can’t plant a seed in ground that it’s rock solid and expect it to germinate. You are wasting your time and losing your opportunity to help develop that seed. It’s simple psychology. This is what Peter was saying about using your time wisely.
Ok, before we can go any further, I gave you Bible verses to back up why this ad us not against “theology and the Bible.” Would you give me the Scripture verses where you’re getting it is going against the Bible?
I gave scriptures to show where we, as Christians, are to absolutely respond in kindness, gentleness, and wisdom. to those not of the Christian faith. Please give me the scriptures where we are to rebuke, ignore, or condemn non-believers. I'm not being facetious here, I honestly want to know if the Bible says this or anything like it.
Can you show me in the ad where they said that foot-washing justifies them? They said “ Jesus doesn’t hate, Jesus washes feet.” As I pointed out with the Bible, Jesus washed their feet to show His love. Even Judas. This is what the ad said.
And as I alluded to, there will be many who will walk away from us because we tell them we do not approve of their behavior. We'll never give them a chance, one way or the other, if we can't get them to talk to us to begin with.
I think my biggest point of difference with you is what does this say to the people who are in Progressive Christianity? Almost every situation presented is clearly spoken about in progressive Christian circles. However, if they were fighting for people who were lost to save them, but not also fighting against theology and the Bible, I would probably join with them.
I strongly believe that all sinners should be given the Gospel. I do think this ad could have said a lot more using real people who have been sinners coming to Christ and abandoning their flesh/old lifestyle. And I know we discussed this, but I still can't help but think David Green's motivations are not pure, nor are they Christlike in this regard.
If we are to imitate Christ, we preach the good news to sinners to bring them into fellowship without giving up the law or scripture. I think we agree on this point. However, I don't believe this is David Green's purpose. I think him and the other donors are arguing that if our theology keeps sinners out of church, we need to change our theology.
I think this is another point we disagree. Where is David Green's heart? Is he trying to bring people to the Biblical Christ? Or is he trying to water down faith by so we can all be more "kind" and "inclusive." Even if he meant the first, he should have worked diligently to make that more clear and used scripture and testimonies of people saved out of their sin rather than indicating that foot washing somehow justifies a person before God.
Because at the end of the day, it appears, at the very least, to be hard to tell which one he meant. Knowing that he created confusion and disagreement between well-meaning Christians with his ad (as I know we both want to be) then I have to question if his ad fails or if his ad succeeds. Sure pharisees will condemn almost everything (I think modern pharisees often look like bible-denying progressives and unthinking fundamentalists). That's what they tend to do.
Yet, if well-meaning Christians do not understand the message of "He Gets us," then I have to ask why create it in the first place? Or even ask, who is the author of confusion? All your points are about how Christians should behave towards sinners and perfect in that regard. I'm just not sure that the creators of this ad mean what you mean or what Christ means. Thanks for the response. Talk later, Kelly.